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Julian P.'s avatar

This is a helpful line of thinking, to be sure. People who feel existential dread each time they lay a brick in the wall they intend to build should question whether they actually want to build the wall—versus just thinking they want to build the wall, or feeling they should build the wall, or wanting to have built the wall in the past. Aligning one’s own desires is good.

That being said, I think akrasia is legitimate to speak about. There are at least two selves, which go by many names: the near self and the far self, for instance. One experiences is in the moment; the other anticipates, remembers, and plans. See Scott Alexander on revealed preferences in his post on USAID: it's irritating when economists (in particular) act as if revealed preferences are the only preferences that count! Taking other types of preferences/desires into account is critical for honoring one’s own or others’ whole selves.

For me—I’m not particularly lazy, but I do struggle with inertia and awareness of what I am doing in the moment. Once I’m doing something I want to be doing, I’m in flow and just keep going. It’s just sometimes hard to start doing it, or remember that I want to do it when I’m doing something else. My currently low-ish ability to be aware in the moment both of what I’m doing and of the things I might want to do in general prevents me from doing what I want at the most meaningful level. It’s not even that I find myself doing what I “really” want to be doing in the moment, because often I don’t enjoy it in the moment, don’t feel good having done it, and don’t want to do it generally—it’s almost rather (most often when it’s on the internet) like I got possessed.

So I think a lot of what the akrasia conversation is about is not forcing oneself to do things one doesn’t actually want to do, but rather about learning to actually do the things that bring one joy both in the moment and in the broader scale. For me, this means practicing mindfulness and awareness, and trying to keep my biggest priorities in mind in the background generally.

Garloid 64's avatar

Okay but the thing is that I want to be the kind of person who does all the shit I don't want to do and there's no way to do that without doing the shit. I want to be in shape, which is to say the kind of person who goes to the gym regularly. I want to be a person with money which means getting up for work even when I don't want to. I could say it using that terminology but it's a lot clunkier and people won't get it. That's where "I want to but I don't feel like it" comes in handy as a shorthand. You can also use "I don't want to but I should" for a more accurate version.

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